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Is Hong Kong better than Singapore?
譯者:laenseloe     發布時間:2013-06-30     超過 0 位網友閱讀

在香港,曾蔭權可以因為貪腐問題被廉政公署調查。你在我們新加坡敢調查李氏高管試試?

原文鏈接:http://www.tremeritus.com/2012/06/18/is-hong-kong-better-than-singapore/


 
I refer to the article “Memo to CY, Singapore isn’t better off” by Jake van der Kamp (South China Morning Post, Jun 12).
 
我看了那篇文獻“共青團(?)備忘錄,新加坡并不是更好的”,撰寫自Jake van der Kamp(南華早報,6月12日)
 
Negative net income balance?
凈負收益平衡?
 
It states that “Singapore’s net income balance has been negative to the tune of an average of 5 per cent of GDP for the past 10 years. That big trade surplus, a third of GDP, is not doing much at all to help make Singaporeans wealthier”.
 
文章指出,“新加坡的凈收入余額已在過去的10年平均占國內生產總值的百分之五呈現負面調控。那么大的貿易盈余,相當于本地生產總值的三分之一,并沒有使新加坡人變得更富裕“。
 
This may be a contributing factor to help explain why many Singaporeans may be struggling to make ends meet. For example, real median wages have been negative for 2008, 2009, just an increase of 0.5 per cent in 2010, and – 0.8 per cent again last year.
 
這可能就是一個相當有遠見性的解釋,解釋了為什么現下那么多新加坡人掙扎著解決入不敷出的情況。比如說真正的薪資平均值在2008和2009都呈現負面走勢,只在2010年的時候增長了0.5,而到了去年,又變成了-0.8%。
 
Low private consumption expenditure?
私人消費開支水平低下?
 
“the Hong Kong system gives its people 65 per cent of their economic effort to spend on themselves (private consumption expenditure). The Singapore system gives its people barely half of that and the figure has been getting steadily worse”
 
“香港給予它的人民勞動所得的65%來作為自己的消費(私人消費開支),而在新加坡,群眾只能拿到差不多50%,而這數字還在進一步下降。”
 
“personal consumption expenditure per employed person. Hong Kong maintains a steady lead over Singapore”
 
“每個工作者的私人消費開支。香港始終穩穩領先于新加坡”
 
Low public spending on services?
公共服務設施支出低下?
 
Some of the possible reasons for the above comparative data between Singapore and Hong Kong, may be that Singapore’s public spending as a percentage of GDP on Healthcare at 1.6 per cent, and Education as a percentage of GNI at 3 per cent, have been one of the lowest in the world. (Source: “The Different Sovereign Wealth Funds and Their Implications” by Professor Christopher Balding – [url]http://www.baldingsworld.com/2012/06/11/the-different-sovereign-wealth-funds-and-their-implications/[/url])
 
對于上述關于新加坡和香港之間數值比較的結果,之所以這樣的原因也許是由于新加坡的公共支出,特別是對醫療保健上的花費僅占到1.6%,而教育支出僅占到國民收入總值的3%,可以說是全球最低。
 
Low public spending on healthcare and education, may mean that there has been higher private spending by Singaporeans. Thus, perhaps this may be a contributing factor to lower private consumption expenditure, which is kind of like the ordinary people’s spending power.
 
在醫療和教育上的公共支出如此之低,也就意味著新加坡人在私人消費開支上變得更高。因此,也許這正是降低私人消費開支的時機,類似于普通百姓的消費能力。
 
It’s like the less the Government spends on public services, the more the people have to spend out of their own pockets.
 
就好比說政府在公共服務上花得越少,群眾就要從自己的腰包里掏得更多。
 
 
Competition from foreign labour?
與外來勞力的競爭?
 
“If you ever thought Hong Kong people foist their dirty work on foreign labour you can ease your conscience by looking at Singapore, where about 36 per cent is non-resident”
 
如果你曾經覺得香港人是強行將那些臟活累活都交給外來勞力來做的話,看看新加坡的情況可能會好一點——因為這里有36%的非本地居民。
 
This liberal foreign labour policy may be another contributing factor to the hardship of Singaporeans, by way of competition for jobs, lower pay, etc.
 
寬松的外勞政策可能是造成現如今新加坡人困境的另一個原因,比如說工作競爭的方式,更低的薪酬等等。



It's a REAL, REAL World:
June 18, 2012 at 10:42 pm  It's a REAL, REAL World(Quote)
Certainly HK can be better than Spore. Money saved to used elsewhere.
Why?
(1) It has a very wealthy & powerful HINTERLAND and next door, China, that supplies all her water, energy and fresh food, etc.
(2) It doesnt have to spend a cent on defence (taken care of by the PLA).
(3) The people are bilingual (former colony of the UK like Spore).
(4) Its education standard is on par with Spore (if not better) – HK University ranks 21st in the World University Rankings 2010-2011.
 
Spore has no hinterland, no size (no economies of scale), insufficient potable water, no mineral resources, etc.
However, Spore has one very GREAT asset – Government.
(1) She is able to support & maintain a 3G Defence Force.
(2) She is able to provide some safety net in the CPF (unlike HK where everyone is for himself).
(3) She is able to house 80% of its ordinary citizens in state subsidied HDB flats whilst the wealthy lives in private property.
 
Spore is all alone and has no one to turn to in any global downturn. Her hard-earned reserves are the only asset to check costly imports via the strongly backed S$ and fund wages in bad times.
 
香港顯然比新加坡好呀。可以省下一大筆錢用在其它地方。
原因呢?
(1)她隔壁是非常富饒強大的中國內地,為她提供淡水、能源和新鮮食物等。
(2)不用花一毛錢來搞國防(PLA照顧著呢)。
(3)人都會雙語(和新加坡一樣,以前都是英國的殖民地)。
(4)教育水準和新加坡相當(也許更好)——香港大學是2010-11年世界大學排名的第21位。
 
新加坡沒有腹地,國土小(沒有規模效益),沒有充足的飲用水,沒有金屬資源,等。
但是,新加坡有著很棒的家底——政府。
(1)她能支撐和維持著一個三軍國防部隊。
(2)她能提供一些公積金的保障網(不像香港個人顧個人的)。
(3)她能給80%的普通公民提供住房,他們住在政府資助的HDB(組屋)中,而有錢人住在私人的房產中。
 
新加坡是獨立的,在任何全球衰退中都無人可求。她辛苦賺來的儲備是唯一可以在困難時期來支付高額的進口費用,通過堅挺的新加坡元和基金工資的支持。



Apocalypse 2012:
June 18, 2012 at 11:13 pm  Apocalypse 2012(Quote)
I have emailed to TRE some days ago the full newspaper cutting of this article which appeared in the SCMP.
Wondering why TRE never published it IN FULL here instead.
Mod: we have emailed SCMP for permission to republish. Have yet to receive a reply.
 
幾天前我給TRE電郵了這篇在SCMP上出現的文章的全文剪報。
為什么TRE不直接在這兒把它全文出版呢?
 
管理員:我們已經聯系了SCMP,征求重新出版的許可。還沒收到回復呢。



Of course Hong Kong is better:
June 18, 2012 at 11:33 pm  Of course Hong Kong is better(Quote)
Hong Kong is better than Singapore because there is openness, transparency and accountability in the public sector. It is also not a police state like Singapore. Hong Kong is not run by a bunch of ex-military morons like Singapore.
 
香港比新加坡好,因為那里的公共部門有開放性、透明度和問責制。而且它也不是像新加坡一樣的警察國家。香港不像新加坡這樣被一群弱智的退伍軍人經營著。



JackSheet:
June 18, 2012 at 11:44 pm  JackSheet(Quote)
Bloody moron! Do you think Hong Kong gets everything from China for free? Did you think China has been supporting Hong Kong for hundreds of years? 
 
Stop lying to people you scum faced liar!
 
Hong Kong and its people are doing well because they do not have a government that takes every opportunity or creates new one from which to earn itself a penny, at the expense of its people.
 
Low and middle income Singaporeans pay hundreds of thousands of dollars to the government, way above the cost of building a public housing home. This reduces the spending of Singaporeans that could have been used to boost their economy.
 
Education and healthcare are necessities and the Singapore government spends one of the least in terms of GDP in the world. THerefore, Singaporeans have to spend a lot of their own money for such expenditure. This again reduces their ability to spend in the local economy.
 
The Singapore PAP government is a fascist government that reduces union  s to a government machinery, rewards itself greatly at the expense of the country’s coffers, controls almost all forms of mass media, judiciary and public appointments. They control no less than 65% of the economy through various companies that stifle competition. They control all forms of monopoly in the economy and reward their fellow fascists greatly at the expense of the country. Oftentimes, incompetent individuals are placed in positions where they have absolutely no experience nor educational background.
 
蠢材!你以為香港能從中國免費獲得一切么?你以為中國幾百年來一直在支持香港嗎?
別撒謊了你這個不要臉的騙子!
 
香港和它的人民這么好是因為他們沒有那種利用一切機會制造一切手段、或者靠犧牲自己的人民來掙錢的政府。中低等收入的新加坡人要付給政府數十萬新幣,比公共住宅可貴得多了。這減少了新加坡人促進經濟的開銷。
 
教育和醫療是必需的,新加坡政府是世界上對此投入最少的政府之一。因此,新加坡人不得不在這上面大量地花費自己的錢。這又減少了他們在本地經濟的消費能力。
 
新加坡人民行動黨政府就是個法西斯政府,把工會變成個政府機構,用國庫支出來大大中飽私囊,控制了幾乎所有的大眾媒體、司法和公職。他們通過各種公司來扼殺競爭,掌控了不少于65%的經濟。他們控制著所有經濟中的獨裁形式,用公費喂飽了他們的法西斯跟班們。經常將沒有經驗或教育背景的的人員安排在不稱職的職位上。



sporean:
June 19, 2012 at 1:10 am  sporean(Quote)
Why must compare with HK?
 
It is another joke.
 
Highest income gap in the world, lowest birthrate.
Although Spore is a close 2nd.
 
為咩一定要和香港比較?
這又是個笑話。
世界上最高的收入差距,最低的出生率。
盡管新加坡接近第二名。



Merlion:
June 19, 2012 at 1:36 am  Merlion(Quote)
@It’s a REAL, REAL World
1) Before returning to PRC in 1997, HK was already doing very well compared to SG. After that, the progressing large cities in PRC are more of an economic threat than help to HK. More HKers are going over to PRC to look for jobs.
2) The free-wheeling society in HK is also more attractive to real foreign talents than SG. SG only gets a few real FTs but loads of average Joe and Jane foreign workers to depress, replace and displace SG PMETs based on cheaper labour cost.
3) In addition, the entreprenuerial spirit of HongKongers are stronger than SG’s. In contrast, SG state owns stakes in firms that comprise perhaps 60% of the GDP through entities such as the sovereign wealth fund Temasek killing small entreprenuers.
4) CPF is worker’s money, forced to be locked away and used by the state in a non-transprent manner — not a safety net provided by the government.
5) SG is blessed geographically as an entrepot for a start, not solely human effort.
 
1)1997年香港回歸前,它已經比新加坡做得好了。那之后,中國大城市的發展對香港來講更像是經濟威脅而不是經濟幫助。更多的香港人到中國去找工作。
 
2)香港的自由社會比起新加坡來說也吸引著真正的外國人才。新加坡只有幾個真正的金融人才,更多的是大批工廠里的的外國工人,因為他們更廉價的勞動力成本減少和取代了新加坡的技術性人才。
 
3)另外,香港人的企業精神比新加坡人的強。于此相反的是,新加坡政府擁有包含著大概60%GDP的公司的股份,通過例如像淡馬錫財富基金這樣的實體來扼殺小企業。
 
4)公積金是工人的錢,它被政府用不透明的手段凍結或使用——這不能算政府提供的保障網。
 
5)新加坡拜地理位置所賜,以轉口港起家,而不是僅靠人的努力。



Merlion:
June 19, 2012 at 1:39 am  Merlion(Quote)
@It’s a REAL, REAL World
6) SG Defense spending provides opportunities for jobs and commercial spin-off that HK doesn’t enjoy. SG spends too much on military hardware and too little on NSmen.
7) HDB “subsidy” is market price subsidy (state land price + building cost + profit). HDB flats could have been much cheaper if it’s not a market price subsidy. Many wouldn’t have to struggle their whole life just to pay the unit. SG’s Public housing spending is to low.
Fully agreed with the article, SG’s education & healthcare spending is also too low stripping of personal consumption power, and added hardship with influx of foreign workers.
9) SG is not alone, there are IMF, World Bank etc. Many Asian countries used their help during the Asian Financial crisis. It is a fear propaganda by the PAP.
 
6)新加坡的國防花費提供了工作機會和商業分拆,而香港享受不到這些。新加坡花費了太多的錢在軍事硬件上,極少花錢在戰備軍人身上。
 
7)組屋“ 補貼”是市場價補貼(國土價格+建筑成本+利潤)。組屋公寓如果不按市場價來的話可以便宜得多。很多人就不用奮斗一輩子來買房了。新加坡的公共住房支出太低了。
完全同意這篇文章,新加坡的教育和醫療支出相對個人購買力和外國勞務涌入所需的硬件設施來說也太低了。
 
9)新加波并不孤單,有國際貨幣基金組織、世界銀行等等。很多亞洲國家在亞洲金融危機的時候都得到了它們的幫助。這只是人民行動黨的恐懼宣傳而已。



LIONS:
June 19, 2012 at 1:42 am  LIONS(Quote)
HONESTLY,hk IS MORE ATRRACTIVE than SG in some ways but i really cannot be bothered!
all i want sgporeans to realsie is IS present-day SG better than just a LOS DECADE ago?
are there more sgporeans getting GAINFULLY EMPLOYED venas the gahmen promised that they will only welocme fTS WHO WILL CREATE JOBS FOR SGPOREANS?
HOW MANY poor sgporeans have gone up the ladder to the middle-income or higher comapred to how MANY middle-income being relegated to the NEW POOR in last ten years or so?
we do not need them to fulfill their promise of SWISS STANDARD for all sgporeans but we hope we can be allowedto MAINTIAN our SG STANDARDS OF YESTERYEARS.
SO,isn;t it a FALLCAY that HIGH GDP is GOOD FOR ALL SGPOREANS whne it is only good for the FEW GOOD MEN themselves.
GOOD MEN,indeed and a handful of GOOD WOMEN,i presume?
 
老實講,香港在某些方面比新加坡更具吸引力,但我不會被動搖!
我只求新加坡人能意識到,現在的新加坡比十年前要好嗎?
 
在政府承諾只歡迎外國人才來為新加坡人創造更多就業崗位后,有多少新加坡人得到了高薪職位?
 
在過去的十年里,有多少貧困新加坡人爬到了中等收入或更高的位置?而又有多少中等收入的人變成了新晉窮人?我們不指望政府兌現他們讓新加坡人過上瑞士標準的承諾,只求能保住以前的新加坡標準。
 
當高GDP只讓極少人得利的時候,說它能讓所有新加坡人都受惠難道不荒謬嗎?
極少人,其實也包括一些女人,是吧?



My GrandMOTHER's Road !:
June 19, 2012 at 3:06 am  My GrandMOTHER's Road !(Quote)
But bear in mind that HK is given only 50 years to be run as a SAR.
After that it will be wholly run and administrated by china in FULL COMMUNISM RULE. No one will know what will really happen then.
Good luck to HK and her people.
 
不要忘了香港只有50年的特別行政區權限。
在那之后它就會完全被中國接管和掌控,以完全社會主義的方式。沒人知道那時將會發生什么。
祝香港及其人民好運。



eremarf:
June 19, 2012 at 3:19 am  eremarf(Quote)
“Singapore’s public spending as a percentage of GDP on Healthcare at 1.6 per cent, and Education as a percentage of GNI at 3 per cent, have been one of the lowest in the world.”
I say a lot of times already when I was a teacher…. not enough resources. You can see how many parents turn to tuition – because seriously – it’s impossible to teach 40 students as well as 20 students as well as 5 students. How many people go for tuition in groups of 40?
But MOE thinks they damn steady – “Wah! We spend so little money, but out maths and science results best in the world! Let’s promote everyone and give out bonuses!”
 
“新加坡的公共支出中,醫療占GDP的1.6%,教育占國民總收入的3%,是世界最低之一。”
 
我當老師的時候就講過很多次……資源不足。你們去看看現在有多少家長都在找補習班——這是因為——教40個學生不可能有教20個那么好的效果,也不可能有教5個那么好的效果。40個學生的班上有多少人都去補習班了?
 
但是教育部覺得他們很安穩——“哇!看看我們只花了這么點錢,但數學和科學成績都是世界上最好的!來來來,咱們都升個職,都發些獎金吧!”



Wrong lor – our students only good at scoring in exams – when it comes to the workplace – they’re probably only average compared to the rest of the world. This is the invisible failure of our education system that MOE never has to account for.
 
我們的學生只擅長考高分,而實際走入工作崗位后,可能能力放到世界來看也只是一般。這是我們教育系統的失敗,教育局該為此負責。



Apolitical Observer:
June 19, 2012 at 8:53 am  Apolitical Observer(Quote)
It is well known that Jake van der Kamp has a massive chip on his shoulder with regards to Singapore. Even though he is a foreigner, he thinks like a typical Hongkie and hates us with a passion. Just refer to the various commentaries he has written about us over the years.
Sorry but using him to criticise my own Singapore is akin to helping foreigners attack us. I really would not take him seriously.
 
眾所周知,Jake van der Kamp 一向對新加坡很有偏見。雖然是個外國人,但他卻總以地道香港人的視角去思考,去樂此不疲地仇視我們。只要去看看他這些年來所寫的評論就知道了。
 
抱歉,但我還是要說,用他的那一套來批評新加坡,無異于是在幫助那些外國人攻擊我們。他的那些東西真的不值得我認真對待。



Doomed !:
June 19, 2012 at 9:28 am  Doomed !(Quote)
Exactly.
 
說得非常到位。



TPK:
June 19, 2012 at 10:00 am  TPK(Quote)
Hong Kong medical cost is very much lower than Singapore. SGD 20 will allow a subsidized patient to receive specialist treatment that include consultation, medication, X-Ray, blood test, etc. In Singapore, for SGD20, a subsidized patient cannot even see the face of the specialist. The total bill that includes consultation, medication, X-Ray and blood test could easily cost a few hundred dollar. But our very thick-skinned PAP government can still claim that we are heavily subsidized! In addition, in Hong Kong, all the hospital wards are air conditioned to provide comfort to patient due to it’s hot weather. Especially in the case of those patients who have undergone surgery, air-conditioned room will keep the wound dry and make it easier for the wound to heal, in addition to make it comfortable for the patient. But in the case of Singapore, this heartless PAP government, despite claiming taking good care of the citizen, thinks that it is alright for a patient if he/she doesn’t has the money!
 
香港的醫療費用比新加坡低多了。(在香港)20新加坡元可以讓一個受補助的病人接受專科治療了,包括會診、醫藥、X光、驗血,等等。而在新加坡,20新加坡元還不夠同樣的病人見專科醫生一面的呢。像會診、醫藥、X光和驗血這樣的流程做下來,動輒上百美元。而我們厚臉皮的PAP政府居然依舊宣稱我們有很高程度的醫療補助!(譯注:PAP,人民行動黨,新加坡至今唯一的執政黨)
 
另外,在香港,所有醫院的病房都有空氣調節系統以為病人在炎熱的天氣中提供舒適的環境。尤其是對于那些經歷過外科手術的病人,有空氣調節系統的房間能保持病人傷口干爽,加速治愈,還能減輕病人的痛苦。
 
然而在新加坡,這個無情冷血的PAP政府,盡管聲稱服務于每個市民,卻根本不管那些病人,如果他/她沒錢的話!



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RDB:
June 19, 2012 at 10:08 am  RDB(Quote)
And so GET REAL @It’s a REAL, REAL World: June 18, 2012 at 10:42 pm (Quote),
As aren’t one of those superficial ones who will not count yourself as a RESOURSE to suck in all the bluffs & paronoid of thee old geeza LKYism & his cronies in PAP and also all those privatized statutory boards as GLCs & their purchased medium enterprised with YOURS & OUR money! Aren’t ALL ESSENTIAL SERVICES now in private hands and or manned by their cronies!
Now, are you not suffering from amnesia? where was HK’s hinterland before 1987 when the Brits were there to benefit from Hong Kongers? And did not the PRC govt declare “A one countries two system” with HK?
And of Sg in dire dangers of being obliterated. Read what I said in TREmeritus before?…
 
1. Ex-Malaysians are even ministers here!
2. Malaysians are in great numbers here. Some as PRs due only to paper certs paper-tigers PAP love! Even married to Singaporeans!
3. Many Indonesian wealthy and their govt leaders park their money in Sg banks and own PRIVATE properties, even HI-END properties here!
4. Brunei a small rich nation aalso has $ tied to Sing $ and park much money in Sg banks!
5. East Malaysia Kalimantan Sarawak has not ambitions to attack Sg for obvious reasons!
6. Thailand has no political reason to attack Sg too!
7. Myanmar got enough of their own troubles and go democratic now!
8. Vietnam is most remote to want Sg.
 
NOW… give US REAL WORLD REASON ON who wants to destroy our INFRASTRUSTURES with 1 or 2 bombs to own SG!
 
有些淺薄的人不覺得自己是生活在李光耀主義老臣及其人民行動黨黨羽們的虛張和偏激之中,也不覺得自己受到了所有私有化法定機構例如政聯公司(GLCs)和它們用咱們的錢所收購的中型企業的愚弄!現在所有的基礎服務都掌握在他們私人的手上,和他們黨羽的手上!
 
現在,你還在患失憶癥嗎?1987年以前英國人還在香港獲益呢,那個時候香港的腹地在哪兒?中國政府難道沒有宣布對香港“一國兩制”嗎?
 
至于新加坡正處在被扼殺的危險之中這種話。讀過我之前在Tremeritus寫的東西嗎?(譯:Tremeritus是新加坡一個新聞網站)?……
 
1. 以前的馬來西亞人都做到這兒的部長了!
2. 這里有大量的馬來西亞人。一些是永久居民,只因為紙老虎人民行動黨喜歡這樣!
3. 很多印尼人都很富有,他們的政府把錢投在了新加坡銀行里,并在這里擁有私產,甚至是高端私產!
4. 文萊是一個小型富國,也和新加坡捆綁在一起,并把錢投在新加坡銀行里!
5. 東馬來西亞的加里曼丹沙越并無明顯理由有攻擊新加坡的野心。
6. 泰國也沒有攻擊新加坡的政治原因!
7. 緬甸自己的麻煩就夠多的了,并且現在也走向民主了!
8. 越南離新加坡太遠了。
 
現在……給我們點現實世界的理由,誰會想扔兩顆炸彈來摧毀我們的基礎建設并占有新加坡?!



henpecked:
June 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm  henpecked(Quote)
You bet, of course HK is better, at least the transport system is way better and efficient, the SAR is much more democratic in thinking, shame on Singapore, or rather our dated Govt.
 
打賭,顯然是香港更好,至少交通系統要好得多、高效得多,特別行政區在思想上要民主得多。新加坡真丟人,或者我們過時的政府真丟人。 



TOXIC PAP Doom in 2016:
June 19, 2012 at 1:59 pm  TOXIC PAP Doom in 2016(Quote)
HKG in the 70s 80s were ‘watch-makers’ of the world besides the Swiss – what Singapore? Make clocks, yes cuckoo clocks and grandfather clocks!!!!
 
HK in the 80s exported jumbo-plane loads of Cabbage Patch kids – Singapore? PAP chose simple brainless ways of inviting MNCs to ‘teach Singaporeans how to fuck, but PAP fcccked Singaporeans.
 
HK movie industry? 1st class champs.. Singapore PAP hollywood oscars winners every year !!!
 
HK? Last week bought the London Metal Exchange – SGX fccccked reeling from China IPOs scandals, SGX spent more time in issuing threats and lawyer letters, compliance letters !!!!
 
HK? Speak Cantonese, yet still CAN CONQUER the BUSINESS world. Singapore ? SCREWED up for years to speak Mandarin ONLY TO COZY UP to the LARGEST COMMUNIST PARTY in the World !!!!
 
HK ? – Minibonds CRISIS protected investors. SGP? MAS screwed investors WASH HANDS !!!!
 
香港在七八十年代是是除了瑞士以外的“制表者”——新加坡是什么?制鐘者。制的是布谷鳥鐘和老爺鐘!!!
 
香港在八十年代出口了大量的椰菜娃娃——新加坡呢?人民行動黨像個弱智一樣請進了跨國公司來“教新加坡人怎樣爽”,結果人民行動黨自個兒爽翻了。
香港電影工業?一流水平…新加坡人民行動黨的好萊塢每年都是奧斯卡的贏家!!!(譯:諷刺其是“影帝”)
 
香港?上星期收購了倫敦金屬交易所——新加坡證券交易所受到中國首次公開募股丑聞的影響,花費了大把時間在應對威脅和律師信、證明書上!!!
香港?講廣東話,但依然在征戰國際商界。新加坡?多年來一直在搞普通話,只為了討好世界上最大的社會主義黨派!!!
 
香港?——迷你債券危機保護了投資者。新加坡?馬拉西亞失敗的投資者金盆洗手!!!



eugene:
June 19, 2012 at 2:37 pm  eugene(Quote)
The pursuit for efficiency and return on investment is relentless.
And it should be.
But the issue here is not that. It is the manner and method of pursuing it. Currently no MBA from Harvard has the brains to pursue all this except for the very simplistic way: CUT COSTS.
It is the one and only approach. Zero idea on other ways.
They also forget about systems. If the system is not properly mapped out or designed, cutting costs will hurt other areas.
This is what has happened to the education of our kids. WE teach how to ace an exam… that is efficient.
But we lose the real learning.. that is a cost
A cost that can only be accounted much later in time… like now.
We lose out on innovative ideas… so being efficient, we approach it with great efficiency… we hire foreign talent.
We too can play the same approach with the Gov and the political parties.. we vote them out
 
追求效益和投資回報是無情的。
它也本該如此。
但這里的問題不是那個。是解決它的方式方法。目前哈佛的研究生都沒那個腦子來解決這些,只有非常簡單的辦法:削減成本。
這是唯一的出路。別無他法。
 
他們也忘記了體制。如果體制制定或設計得不合適,那么削減成本就會危及其它領域。
這就像我們在孩子的教育上所做的事。我們教他們怎么在考試中得到高分…這是效益。
但是我們丟掉了真正的學習……這是成本。
成本只能很久以后才能計算出來……就像現在。
 
我們丟掉了創新思維……所以為了高效,我們付出了很多成本…我們雇傭了外國人才。
我們也可以用同樣的手段來對待政府及政黨……是我們投票選他們出來的。



-------------譯者:laenseloe-------------
HK more open:
June 19, 2012 at 3:20 pm  HK more open(Quote)
HK can afford to pay more for social welfare because it pays its ministers only a very small fraction of what Singapore does. It also does not siphon off any budget excess to any sovereign wealth fund. Instead any budget excess at the end of each year is redistributed among the people in a very open and transparent way. For example, last year they had a huge budget excess, and so every man, woman and child gets HK$6000 which is directly credited to their nominated bank accounts.
Apart from the HK$6000, every household also gets free of charge the first chunk (7.5 cu.m. per month) of potable water. Any usage in excess of this free chunk will still have to be paid. Furthermore, all senior citizens and school children get heavily subsidized public transport at only HK$2 per trip. Medical expenses in all government hospitals are also capped at only HK$100 per illness. Unlike in Singapore, Hongkies don’t have to pay any GST for their medical expenses or operations.
 
香港能支付更多的社會福利因為政府支付給其部長級別官員的比起新加坡而言,只占很小一部分。而且這并不會從任何一個主權財富基金中吸走任何超支預算。取而代之的是,每年年末,任何的超支預算都會以非常開放和透明的方式再次分配在每個人的頭上。舉例而言,去年他們有一筆巨大的超支預算,因此每個男士女士和孩子都從各自的銀行賬戶里得到了6000港幣。
 
除開這6000港幣之外,每個家庭還將免費獲得首塊(每月7.5立方米)飲用水的免費使用權。當然了,超過的部分還是要給錢的。
 
還有,得益于政府的大量資助,所有老幼在出行時每次都只要花2港元即可。在公立醫院,每次看病的花銷只要100港元。不像新加坡,香港人在醫療或手術支出方面不用支付商品及服務稅。



Apa Ini:
June 19, 2012 at 7:21 pm  Apa Ini(Quote)
In HK, the chief Donald Tsang can be investigated for corruption by ICAC. Try it! Investigate our LEEders in Singapore? Our CPIB just turn blind eyes because CPIB is under the PM office. A real sick joke right? This imply that all others can be investigated except the LEEs.
 
在香港,曾蔭權可以因為貪腐問題被廉政公署調查。你在我們新加坡敢調查李氏高管試試?我們的貪污調查局就跟瞎了一樣,就因為這個調查局在PM(?)官方之下受到管轄。一個惡心的玩笑不是么?簡而言之就是除了李家,所有人都可以被調查。



Zombie:
June 20, 2012 at 12:00 am  Zombie(Quote)
Of course it is! They jailed NKF yong’s wife for 20yrs!
 
當然了!他們把國家腎臟基金會(?)的Richard勇的老婆關了20年大牢!



-------------譯者:daisyhe17-------------
 
RDB:
June 20, 2012 at 7:49 am  RDB(Quote)
@henpecked: June 19, 2012 at 12:37 pm (Quote)
You bet, of course HK is better, at least the transport system is way better and efficient, the SAR is much more democratic in thinking, shame on Singapore, or rather our dated Govt.
 
打賭,顯然是香港更好,至少交通網要好得多、高效得多,特別行政區在思想上要民主得多。新加坡真丟人,或者我們過時的政府真丟人。
SG has since 1985 been running on OMO = One Man Operated or more aptly “One Maniac OPERArated” after Dr. Goh Keng Swee & his wise OLD GUARDS left a certain one-legged idiot to become what a certain son he made PM one day declare that his apapa is “The founFING father of Sg” whore! Isn’t self praise international disgrace whore!
 
And so a hyper-inflated egoist from hyper-INFERIORITY Complex issue book after book to show cause of its LKYism wiseDOOM! NO? What manner of mind will brag at such level AND AS A “mentor” it said is a POSEition given to him by its son whom he made PM when ask by a report? Think those you in that GE2011 60.1% if you HAVEN’T YET realized these natural truths about human beings! As was Mao Zedong smart with his STOP AT ONE? And LKYism did better with “STOP AT 2″ with punitties for poorer citizen to stop produce. Isn’t LKYism ELITIST and NOT a beleiver that intelligence HAS OUTRIGHT and Little TO DO WITH a person’s poverty or lower educational level due to one’s parent’s poverty!
 
Isn’t LKYism itself A BRAINLESS character in itself!!!
 
新加坡自從1985年就開始實行OMO,就是一個人的管理,或者更恰當的“一個瘋子的管理”。吳慶瑞博士和他聰明的老部下留下了個獨腿傻瓜,這貨是真兒子,當上總理后的某天宣布他爹為“新加坡國父”。自我拔高難道不是國際恥辱嗎!(譯:諷刺李光耀)
 
一堆極度自卑的復雜問題產生了這么一個極度膨脹的利己主義者,顯示出了其李光耀主義的智慧。不是嗎?什么樣的腦子會在他當總理的兒子給了他“國家導師”的地位后還在在采訪中如此吹噓。想想這些吧,你們那這些在2011年大選中投那60.1%的票的人,如果你以前還沒意識到這些人類的自然界真理的話。就像毛澤東很聰明地提出了他的只生一個一樣,李光耀主義也非常聰明地提出了“只生兩個”,通過懲罰貧窮公民來計劃生育。

李光耀主義精英們不是智慧的信徒,從不致力于改變貧窮和由家長的貧窮所導致的低教育水平!李光耀主義本身就是個無腦主義!



Anti BS:
June 21, 2012 at 11:26 am  Anti BS(Quote)
HK is better because:
 
- Government not Bull Shit
- Newspapers not Bull Shit
- People smart and daring and if any of the above try to be Bull Shit, they will be kicked out sooner or later.
- Therefore, it follows that there is less Bull Shit around generally
 
Example: 500,000 people marched in 2003 on 1st July (return of HK to PRC), following year about 400,000 and within a few months Tung Chee Wah is out the door in spite of having very strong support and connections with PRC leadership.
 
Sinkies, can you do the same? Do you dare?
 
香港更好,因為:
——政府不是狗屎
——報紙不是狗屎
——人民很聰明也有膽氣,如果他們的政府和媒體變成了狗屎,那他們早晚都會把它們趕出去。
——所以,那里普遍較少狗屎。
 
例:2003年七月一日(香港回歸紀念日),有500,000人上街游行,第二年有400,000人,幾個月后董建華就下臺了,盡管他有著中國領導層強勁的支持。
新加坡人,你們能做同樣的事嗎?你們敢嗎?


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